This week, Dave and Gunnar talk about: Evolution of evolution, skeumorphism (again), Onion Pi, Brick Pi, Red Hat Summit 2013, an interview with Nirmal Mehta and some lessons learned from Google and NSA. This is an enormous episode, the longest we've done yet. If you just want to hear from Nirmal, jump to 1:00:00. Yes, an hour in. This episode is epic.